Triple and the 3 techniques

[coachwright]

Coaches
can you run the inside veer to a 3 tech?
1. Some say double 3 and read the stack.
2. Block 3 tech with guard and then read next man out.
I would like to see what others think?
coach Wright

[coachjimd]

We run triple to the 3. The dive key is the first thing outside the b gap. We dont read the stack (more because of the coaches limitation than the kids!). We will load it and read the next man for the pitch. I would agree though that we'd like to run it to the 1

[Coach Iannucci]

We will run the triple to the three tech, We will combo off the three but we always have an answer if the ISLber / MLBER is running over the top. If we can't handle that (Squeeze and scrape - and we find out early) we will start running it to the A-gap player and formation it to get the 3 / 1 where we want.

We always start by reading the stack but have an answer if QB is having trouble (i.e. load scheme to A-gap player.) although I want the QB to read it I don't want him to think the whole game is on his shoulders and I don't want to have one way where if it's not successful I either have to repeat failure or get away from the triple.

We'll talk about this saturday when I come up Jim.

[coachwright]

Excellent.
Jim

[sgunther]

Running the Triple at the 3 Technique:

First, the way we read the triple: Predicated on #3--counting the defense from outside-in to find the hand-off key. #1 defender has deep outside 1/3, #2 is pitch-key, #3 is the hand-off key.

Our linemen verbally identify the defense prior to the snap, so the defense called puts them into a certain block scheme when running the triple. As you will notice we have a couple of choices. The scheme choice, of course, is decided on prior to the season, and the decision is based on the ability of the guards. #3 is our hand-off key in all defenses.

The Blocking depends on the Defense!

Vs. a 40 Defense with a 3 technique; we could fold-it (block tackle down/guard around to the LBer-either PSLBer or MLBer-(this depends on scrape) or another choice could be Base Block (guard on 3 technique-tackle to PSLBer to MLBer)

Vs. a 60 Defense with a 3 technique; base block the 3 technique with the guard and base block the 5 technique with the tackle. Again read is #3 (finding #3-as mentioned above, in this case the 9 tech. is #3). If our guard is not a good base blocker, vs. this defense is when we would consider running triple to a 1 tech.

Vs. a Split Defense with a 3 technique; fold-it as mentioned vs. a 43 or now we could Base Combo with the guard-tackle to the ILBer. This is the only time we would use a guard-tackle combo block.

This is the way Emory Bellard would have blocked these defenses in run the Triple.

Hopefully this wasn't to confusing, I am finding it hard to explain with out diagrams and further explanations. Kind of interesting.

Steve Gunther

[dcooper]

Coach,

I really like the fold concept to the 3 technique and would like to learn more about it.

If you use it, can you go into detail on the footwork for the guard? I would assume that the guard bucket or drop steps with his playside foot to open his hips as well as clear a path for the tackle. The tackle down blocks the 3 technique as normal and the guard wraps around the tackle. Would this be correct?

Additionally, is there enough time before the fullback gets to the point of attack for this to happen? In other words, can the guard wrap around before the fullback gets to the hole without the two running into one another?

Thanks for your help...I just found this board and really look forward to learning a lot about option football from you guys who are experienced.

[sgunther]

Folding the Guard/Tackle vs. a 3 technique;

1. Your description of the fold is perfect! Its normal fold technique used in any offense. We also tell our guard as he steps around the Tackles block to reach with the backside hand to stay tight to the Tackle and keep his pads low. The other thing to watch out for; if #3 (hand-off Key) is coming down inside for the FB, have the Guard avoid him. Guards have a tendency on this Fold to want to block the hand-off key.

2. With the FB's feet at 4 yards from the ball, there is plenty of time for the fold to work successfully. Our FB's aiming point is the outside leg of the Guard through the inside leg of the Tackle.

As mentioned we use the Fold on the Triple vs. a 3 technique if we feel our guards would have trouble base blocking a 3 techniques by themselves during the season. Some years we have had bigger more experienced Guards that could handle a 3 Tech. with a normal base block and with no help from the Tackle. Emory Bellard, used this mind set for years while running the Triple.

Thanks for the Questions! It works-hope this helps!

Steve Gunther

[dcooper]

Thanks Steve- I'm sure I will have many more questions as I begin to learn more about option football. I was always scared to death to be an option team because of the risk, but from a defensive perspective it is, IMO, the hardest thing to stop if it is run well. Now, to me, the risk is worth the reward.

Thanks again

Dennis

[Coach Iannucci]

I use to fold at times. Got away from it because of A) possible penetration on down block (Since we didn't do this regularly we werent as good at it) and B) guard in view of QB read (You must teachh him that any contact with guard is pull read.

It's like anything else - if you practice it - it'll work -it's sound!

Hope you guys are enjoying the board and articles

[dcooper]

Coach,

I love the board...it will be a great place to learn option football.

Where can I find these articles?

[Coach Iannucci]

on the original blog

3backoptionfootball.blogspot.com

[ponder]

Any advice on handling a tough nose on triple?

[dennydierick]

Favorite scheme for ISV versus tough NG : Go to Heavy formation (both tackles on same side with SE wide). PSG-C-BSG will triple team NG to BSLB. Inside Tackle veer release to PSLB and Outside Tackle loop (outside) release to PSLB. PSLOT arc to primary run support. PSWR stalk primary pass coverage guy.

Denny Dierick

[ponder]

Thanks, do you cut your splits down on PSG & BSG?

[coacht]

We've had good success running triple to a 3. We haven't had problems with penetration...yet! If he's crashing upfield we run midline, if he crashes hard inside we can have the guard base block and seal him inside, and if he sits we can fold block it.

We have the FB run the same veer path (right at the guard) then take a lateral step after he mesh and hug the block on the 3 tech.

We like doing this with a 4 tech as well.

For a tough NG we teach our FB to read him...the next guy inside the hand-off key. In this case, if we run triple to the right and the NG fights hard into the dive path, our center just takes him there and our FB reads this and squares up bending his path behind the NG.

We are also thinking about running more guard trap this year which I'm thinking will slow down NG's and LB's from overplaying the dive path.